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Isaac Bonewits [27 Oct 2009|11:07am]

ADF founder, Pagan Author and Speaker Isaac Bonewits has been diagnosed with cancer.

As per his wishes, he is accepting donations, prayers, thoughts, and "signal boosting" (by reposting this).
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9 Virtues - initial thoughts [27 May 2009|02:24pm]

Thanks for the good idea to post the homework up here :)

Wisdom:  As any D&D geek will tell you, there's a big difference between intelligence and wisdom.  I feel that intelligence is more the capacity to learn.  Wisdom is the accumulation and application of knowledge.  Once does not necessarily have to be intelligent to be wise, though it might help in some cases.

Perseverance:  Like the Little Train That Could.  Even if the goal seems so far away, and the path so hard, there is great personal satisfaction in getting over the hump(s).  We're not members of a mainstream religion, the road can often be harder than it really needs to be, when having to deal with intolerance and evangelists.

Piety:  To speak to and make offerings to the Kindred, even when one isn't asking for something in particular, can increase the relationship between ourselves and the Kindred.  It's sort of like maintaining a friendship.  You sometimes need to call your friend, and sometimes they call you out of the blue.  You get together once in a while for a coffee, or exchange birthday gifts.  The same thing can, and should, happen between us and the Kindred.

Hospitality:  goes along with Piety in building relationships with the Kindred.  If you're a poor guest, no one will invite you again.  If you're a poor host, no one will accept your invitations.  Don't give more than you can spare - but be generous, especially to your fellow humans in these rough financial times.  The Kindred will understand if you can't give as much in your material offerings.

Vison:  long view, the big picture... I don't know, I think I lack this pretty much.  I tend to live day-to-day, with only a few long term goals. Perhaps keeping sight of the future, while being able to adjust in the present, would be considered Vision?

Moderation:   Don't overdo it .  Set realistic goals.  I'm only human, and I cannot control the Universe, as much as I sometimes think I can. 
Too much of a good thing can be harmful - especially cake.

Courage: goes with Perseverance, tempered with Wisdom.  Face fears, and keep going.

Fertility: fecundity, not necessarily "be fruitful and multiply", though it could defenitely mean that, and apply to gardening and animal husbandry, and the fertility of the Earth.  Prolific might be a better word to apply to creative pursuits.

Integrity: don't ever call me a liar.  I pride myself on speaking the truth.  Ethics fall under this virtue as well.  I might as well be a true-life paladin, for my adherance to the law.
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1st dedicant's homework - 9 virtues [27 May 2009|01:40pm]

we were asked to ponder the nine ADF virtues and see if/how they applied to our lives

my tally: three of 'em are in my world (perseverance, courage and integrity); two of 'em i had to re interpret (moderation became balance, fertility became creativity); and the other 4 are just silly/annoying (wisdom, piety, hospitality, vision)

do any of these strike a chord with you?

-Wisdom - erm, like being smart? or mebbe this is more like "continuing to learn" or not being closed to new ideas

-Perseverance - yes! stick-to-it-ive-ness. i totally like this one. balanced with a desire to realistically evaluate the situation, coz, not all things should be continued.

-piety - what, like, always going to ritual or consistently honoring the gods? eh, i don't need this one. i make offerings when i'm moved to. i try to make sure it's not only when i need something. past that, i don't think sticking to a schedule makes me a better pagan

-Hospitality - eh. i'm not a fan of opening my home to someone simply because they exist. i entertain and cherish my friends. i'm often uncomfortable with overly solicitous strangers

-Vision - what in the world? like, being a visionary? seeing outside the box? or seeing into other realms? i find that to be a bit of tosh, really. i think more folks could do with seeing what's actually in front of them in *this* realm ... and then trying to make it better.

-Moderation - screw that! i'd like as much of everything as i can carry, please. then, i'll happily share out the extras. i'm gonna pretend this one means "balance". as that's a virtue i can get behind. a bit from column a, a tad from row 3

-Courage - hrm. in the face of what? somethings are daunting for a reason. could be you haven't thought things through or aren't prepared. i tend to view fear as a healthy reaction and i try to pay attention to what i can learn from it. then, properly prepared, i'm all in for a battle - either with others to get what's owed, or with myself to let go of what i think i'm entitled to.

-Fertility - yeah, that's a big no thank you. not every human should reproduce. however, i do try to cultivate a richness of creativity and a spirit of adventure/learning/growth

-Integrity - yes! i'm totally down with this one. do the thing you said you'd do. and do it well. if you canna do it, then let it be known and ask for help.
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ADF Membership survey [12 Dec 2008|01:56pm]

[ mood | curious ]

This was sent to ADF Announce. I wanted to repost it here to support Emily's research study, as I've done research myself and know how important response rates are.

Please note this is only for current ADF members, and your member id will be collected as proof of eligibility.

One of our members, Emily Stevenson, is conducting a survey of ADF members
as part of her graduate studies.

I would appreciate your help in this survey.

Here is what Emily has to say about it:

"As part of an effort to explore the religious beliefs and practices
of ADF members, as well as attitudes of ADF members towards
contemporary social issues, and the general well-being of ADF
members, your participation is requested in an online survey. Your
participation can help bring greater understanding and visibility to
ADF and other Druidic paths.

The survey will take approximately 10-15 minutes to complete. ADF's
Mother Grove will receive a copy of the resulting reports. This
research is being conducted by Emily Stevenson, an ADF member since
2005 and a graduate student at Pennsylvania State University. All
information collected is confidential.

Please find the survey at http://www.personal.psu.edu/eas295/. Thank
you for your help."

Bright Blessings,
Rev. Skip Ellison
Archdruid - Ár nDraíocht Féin (ADF) - www.adf.org

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Kirtan Intensive [09 Nov 2008|07:50pm]


hello, my lovelies

let's gather again at my place in Bristol, PA

to chant the names with joy in our hearts

we can take turns leading the chants as well as singing along with some really great folks on cd

you can bring percussion bits and something yummy to share, both meat and vegetables (and boys!) are welcome at my table

we can arrange a pick up/drop off at the Bristol train station (R7 line)

crash space is available, but limited so give a shout

please let me know if you'd like to extend this invitation to another

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beltane kirtan lyrics [07 May 2008|11:47am]

(after the chimes)
Ganesha Sharanam, Sharanam Ganesha

(opening the gates)
Ganesha Sharanam, Sharanam Ganesha
Gan Gan Ganapati Sharanam Ganesha
Jay Ganesha Jaya Jaya Gananatha

(before praise)
Hara Hara Hara Mahadev, Hara Hara Hara Mahadev (Jai Shiva)
Om Namah Shivaya

(Divine Family, group praise)
Jaya Shiva Jai Ma Jai Ma
Jaya Shiva Mata Mata

Jai Parvati Jai Ma Jai Ma
Jai Parvati Mata Mata

Kartikeya Jai Ma Jai Ma
Kartikeya Mata Mata

Jai Ganesha Jai Ma Jai Ma
Jai Ganesha Mata Mata
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Call for Submission [05 May 2008|04:23pm]

Illious, Northeast Regional Druid and Scribe for ADF Bardic Guild, has put out a call for submissions for chants and songs used in ADF ritual, to compile into a hymnal of sorts.

I got to see a rough draft of the book this weekend, and it is laid out in ritual order.

It occurs to me that GoG has more than one or two melodies that should be submitted.

I'm not sure who is currently Grove Bard, but here's the submission information:


Please submit songs to me so I can format it the same as the other songs, and get a waiver sent out to you.  Remember, you need to hold the copyright to the song to submit it, or be able to get hold of the owner of it (and preferably have them submit it).  You can submit any file type you want, but preference is a Finale file or MIDI as they are easiest to create the sheet music with.  An MP3, WMA, WAV, etc. with words is acceptable as I can transcribe it.

So, if this inspires you to submit something, go to http://bardic.illious.net and submit it!


North East Regional Druid, ADF
Preceptor, Brewers Guild, ADF
Scribe, Bardic Guild, ADF
SD, Tear of the Cloud Grove, ADF
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kirtan from beltane [05 May 2008|12:50pm]

all the songs except the "divine family jai ma" are on Jai Uttal's CD called Kirtan! (he's got a million others, but this one has an excellent description of what kirtan means for him and why we sing to god)


the Jai Ma song was written by Robin Renee, tho she hasn't recorded it yet. her wonderful kirtan cd can be found on her site


also, and this i'd really encourage, she's set up a yahoo group called kirtan-o-rama ~chuckle~ folks list kirtan events all over and you can prolly find one near you.
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"Do you Hear What I Hear? Communicating with Deity" [14 Feb 2008|10:15am]

[ mood | wise n stuff ]

NOW I'm pimping my class. :-) Feel free to leave more suggestions on my previous entry - I really do appreciate them.

"Do you Hear What I Hear? Communicating with Deity"
A class and discussion moderated by Hillary Gross
February 21st, 2008. 8pm-10pm
RU Pagan Student Association.
College Ave Student Center, Rm 407

What do people mean when they say they've talked to or seen a deity? How do you reconcile your grounding in western science with the (sometimes ungrounding) spirituality you're exploring now? Why do you perceive nothing when others say they've experienced something tangible while standing right next to you in ritual? How do you know if there's a deity trying to get your attention?

Shifting your mindset to include not just believing in, but also communicating with, deity and other spirits is a huge challenge for those of us raised in the religion of science. But it IS possible to learn how to speak with the gods without compromising the Big Bang theory. Come to RU Pagans with your questions and experiences to share. Though there is some prepared material, this will be an interactive discussion since each person's questions and experiences are unique.

Hillary Gross has been a member of Grove of the Other Gods for seven years. She's been privy to Coyote's constant commentary for over five years, so she knows a little something about how to listen - and how to talk back.
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What would you like to know about Communicating With Deity? [13 Feb 2008|06:23pm]

[ mood | god-tapped ]

A week from tomorrow, I'm giving a class at RU Pagans on Communicating With Deity. I'm not pimping though - I need advice.

Talking/hearing/seeing/otherwise communicating with gods - well I won't say I came to it easily, but I seem to have had an easier time than most, and am at the point where I can pick up on a LOT of wavelengths, even if I don't know the deity in question. For instance, when I was with a Thorsman and Thor and Coyote played a trick, I saw/heard them cracking up. I said to him, don't you hear it? And he said "yes...but I've never heard that before." It's finally gotten through my thick skull that this is a gift/talent, not something everybody can do/knows how to do.

We all have our strengths, of course. I'm not very good at seeing or doing magic. But MAN can I pray! I've always thought that if life were D&D (and you know we've all thought it), I'd be a cleric - not cuz I'm a good healing person but because the cleric derives their power from their Deity (and if I'm wrong, don't bother arguing - it's just a model anyway).

I'm trying to think of a good metaphor for where I'm coming from. It's not explaining a rainbow to a blind man, I don't think, because most people aren't blind men. It's not like teaching math, because you can do drills and work up, even if someone never gets good at it. Maybe it's like writing - I've always been good at it, but I couldn't teach you how to be creative, just what structures of poems are and how to use grammar.

Hmm, maybe it is like writing then. I can say, use flashcards to increase your vocabulary. Drill and study root words to increase your spelling. Work on homonyms and homophones so you understand where each is appropriate. Here is the way to write and essay and a sonnet and a short story. But I can't make you GOOD - at least I don't think it's possible - you can give all the tools you want, but in the end, a person is just going to fall somewhere on the scale between Vogan and Shakespeare.

All right, so now that that's worked out, what TOOLS do you suggest I use? What do you wish you'd know earlier about communicating with deity/spirits? What do you currently wish to know? What would you get out of a class on this, no matter where you are in the spectrum? Also, are there any resources (books, websites) that have helped/would help you?

I want to give the baby pagans something to grow on, I want to give them material, but I also want to let them steer the lecture. I'm trying to prep about an hour of talking and hope to space interaction between.

ETA: Speaking of looking for clue-by-fours, this story popped up in my google ads when I was looking at my lj replies email for this entry: Ghost-like white stag spotted
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[14 Dec 2007|10:48am]

[ mood | cheerful ]

I am so psyched about Sunday's GoG rit and became even more psyched after reading penroyalt's Mummer's Play we will be performing. Not entirely sure why (while everyone loves Ganesha, I'm not a follower personally), but I am. I'm psyched about making chaat! I'm psyched about wearing my choli! I'm psyched about wearing my bracelets and face jewels! I'm psyched about getting wrapped in a saree! I am super psyched about playing Siddhi!

I can't wait to see you all!

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possible guided med for a rit? [11 Oct 2007|03:00pm]


hey, y'all

i've been interested for awhile now, in possibly leading a guided med for a rit sometime. i don't have a particular rit in mind, but, i have found a poem i think would work well.


it's a called Instructions, by Neil Gaiman

i'd love to hear your thoughts

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Question about membership [04 Oct 2007|09:57pm]

[ mood | chipper ]

Hi =)

I apologize if this post is inappropriate for the community, but it seemed like the best way to get in touch with the grove.
My name is Kristin and I'm a (relatively) new member of the ADF. I'm currently living in Orange County NY, and GOG seems to be the closest to me, and I'd really like to experience the group side of the ADF. So, I was wondering how I could go about joining. I sent an e-mail through the website a few months ago, but hadn't heard anything back. Do you have social meetings, or do new members just jump right into ritual? Or, do you like to meet people first to make sure they're not crazy? ;)

Thank you ^_^

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SalonCon 2 [18 Sep 2007|02:08pm]


i'll be there

in the gorgeous red silk corset, i do believe

(tho, i'll need to find a willing assistant to pour me into it)

anyone else?
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[13 Sep 2007|09:58am]

[ mood | cheerful ]

Hey GoG!

Just wanted to let you know that SalonCon's pre-reg ends tomorrow!

Norma will be giving a seance as well as a workshop on Victorian Love Spells.

I know a lot of you are coming and I can't wait to see you all!


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Holy cow, we're *organized*! [12 Sep 2007|11:01am]

[ mood | excited ]

The grove calendar has holidays marked through *Imbolc*. I'm not sure I've ever seen us so far-sighted! Cool!

And we're finally having official elections! Woot!

Hmm, Dedicants 5.0 is starting up in October...maybe it's time to submit my DP (I was in 1.0).

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mary as protector [05 Sep 2007|12:54pm]

does anyone have experience with or thoughts about honoring Mary as protector?

i sometimes have trouble falling asleep, there's a nearly overwhelming fear for my physical safety and for my sanity

today, while i was battling for control, i had an odd but clear thought: you should honor Mary as protector

i've not worked with Mary ever, other than the wonderous May crowning we did last year

interestingly, i'd noticed last week that the glow in the dark crucifix i got at the crowning (and attached to my car's antenna) has finally broken

all my knowledge about how folks worship Mary come from movies ~grin~

in the movies, she's called upon *after* The Bad Thing has happened - in what seems to me to be a useless gesture

i'm more thinking of ... Mary as fierce, as guardian, as standing *between* me and The Bad Thing


so, i'm totally ok taking up this new thought and working it into my world, even if there's no precedent

but, it'd be neat to learn about other folks who were thinking of her the same way
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Crucible [27 Aug 2007|03:34pm]

hey, ya'll

i saw Crucible listed on the our events page

wondered if folks have experience with this event and care to share?
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[27 Jun 2007|06:10pm]

you know what i really treasure about ADF?

that all of our rituals are open

to everyone

regardless of experience or familiarity with the grove
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[20 Jun 2007|09:47am]

With the CTP, I often feel like I'm rolling a rock uphill. A very large and bulky rock. I'm not sure how useful the rock will be when I get it up there, but something inside me wants to keep pushing.
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